The New Goldman Sachs Model: Quarterly Losses (GS, C, BRK-A)

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Goldman_sachs_logo_2BurningmoneyGoldman Sachs Group (NYSE: GS) had been the one spot in the brokerage sector which was immune from the credit crunch and nearly immune from the mortgage mess.  In fact, the company made a fortune betting against mortgages from 2007 into 2008.  But now it is a mere bank holding company, and the word is being passed around that the former "Golden Slacks" will report its first quarterly loss since coming public.  Talk of losses at the brokerage firm gone banker first started coming to light a couple of weeks ago, and now it is becoming the new "whisper number" that Goldman Sachs won’t be profitable.

The quarter ending in November is still expected to show earnings northof $1.50 EPS if you trust the raw numbers at Thomson Reuters (FirstCall).  But the issue iis that you know that you cannot trust thenumbers from analysts right now.  Analysts have had their earnings estimateswrong and too high for quite a while, and it is even worse in thebrokerage firm estimates for their own industry peers.  Last night, weeven heard Jim Cramer talk about a wider loss possibly at $4.00 or$5.00 per share.

We do want to pass on more and more conspiracy theories here, but theconflict of interest in brokerage firm analysts covering other brokerage firms is obvious as a cold sore on a beauty queen.  When a brokeragefirm to downgrade or slash estimates on a competitor, it is telling Wall Street and MainStreet that they are also in the same boat.  If you hear investorscomplaining about how much money is being lost in the system and howdifficult the environment is, is that or is that not code language forthem saying THEY are losing their shirts?

Goldman Sachs has become a bank holding company and is having tode-leverage along with every other financial firm.  The company’s hedgefund business has been unable to post the strong gains.  Underwritinghas dried up.  There was about as much corporate bond trading inSeptember and October as their was in the USSR from the 1920’s to the1980’s.  Betting against financial stocks and peers was no longer alay-up, and the market swings from the morning to the close were oftenso severe and often so swift that gains rapidly became losses andlosses rapidly became gains.  And the forced selling took down thebalances of managed fund accounts.

Can you imagine that Goldman Sachs actually made a supposed call toCitigroup (NYSE: C) about a suspected merger?  That is ridiculous. Citi was Wall Street whipping boy for years, yet now it seems thatevery financial firm that is "in the club" of government mandatedsurvivors has to copy their business model.

So what is expected to come in late 2008 or into 2009 is an acquisitionof deposits.  We gave a list of companies which Goldman Sachs mightwant to consider buying.  But that is mere posturing, and it is verypossible that the firm will lop up institutions as they teeter ratherthan by going and being an aggressive buyer.

If Goldman Sachs is going to actually lose money and lay off a hugeportion of its workforce, the firm better come up with a distraction bybuying a bank or depository institution.  Three-Card Monte may be aliveand well.  Maybe Warren Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE: BRK-A) will get a chance to buy more stock or preferred shares at lower prices.

Jon C. Ogg
November 7, 2008

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Douglas A. McIntyre is the co-founder, chief executive officer and editor in chief of 24/7 Wall St. and 24/7 Tempo. He has held these jobs since 2006.

McIntyre has written thousands of articles for 24/7 Wall St. He is an expert on corporate finance, the automotive industry, media companies and international finance. He has edited articles on national demographics, sports, personal income and travel.

His work has been quoted or mentioned in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, NBC News, Time, The New Yorker, HuffPost USA Today, Business Insider, Yahoo, AOL, MarketWatch, The Atlantic, Bloomberg, New York Post, Chicago Tribune, Forbes, The Guardian and many other major publications. McIntyre has been a guest on CNBC, the BBC and television and radio stations across the country.

A magna cum laude graduate of Harvard College, McIntyre also was president of The Harvard Advocate. Founded in 1866, the Advocate is the oldest college publication in the United States.

TheStreet.com, Comps.com and Edgar Online are some of the public companies for which McIntyre served on the board of directors. He was a Vicinity Corporation board member when the company was sold to Microsoft in 2002. He served on the audit committees of some of these companies.

McIntyre has been the CEO of FutureSource, a provider of trading terminals and news to commodities and futures traders. He was president of Switchboard, the online phone directory company. He served as chairman and CEO of On2 Technologies, the video compression company that provided video compression software for Adobe’s Flash. Google bought On2 in 2009.

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