Bill Gross Calls For Extreme On Rates (C, CFC, TLH, IEF, TLT)

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Bond seer Bill Gross of PIMCO issued his November outlook and is looking for the FOMC not to just need a rate cut this week.  He believes that the FOMC will need to cut short-term rates (fed funds) down to a whopping 3.5% in order to avoid a lending contraction not seen since the 1970’s (and even notes the 1930’s).

Bill Gross is a fixed income market hero.  A cut of this sort would undoubtedly help his own bond positions and values.  But regardless of his being able to win, his voice (and his peers) have been able to influence markets.  24/7 Wall St.’s take on this rate cut is that if this happens too rapidly, then the Fed runs the risk of turning a troubled dollar into a currency crisis not seen in decades.  We discussed on Friday the 100% chance of a 25 basis point cut and a small chance for a 50 basis point rate cut, based upon Fed Fund Futures contracts.  Our take is that a 4% funds rate would be an adequate wait and see level, mainly because even if rates go back to 1% there are still going to be many borrowers still in trouble.

The conclusion is as follows:
"……Ben Bernanke has no such luxury. While he does have the backstop of a global economy powering on at a 4-5% annual clip, today’s U.S. IPOs were more a creation of leverage and the shadow banking system’s ability to create productivity gains through finance, as opposed to technological innovation. With banks and their shadows in retreat and modern day “world saving committees” relatively impotent, Bernanke must do some heavy lifting as opposed to the light housework required of Alan Greenspan in 1998. An increasingly recessionary looking U.S. economy will likely require 1% real short rates and 3½% Fed Funds in order to stabilize a potential growth contraction in lending not witnessed since the early 1970s or, to be honest, Roosevelt’s depressionary 1930s. We can only hope that Bernanke, Paulson, and their cohorts recognize the danger and that the music keeps playing with the lights still turned on."

Gross noted Citigroup (NYSE:) and Countrywide (NYSE:CFC) specifically here.  The more active bond-related ETF is the iShares Lehman 20+ Year Treasury Bond (NYSE:TLT) is the bond ETF that traders flock to over interest rates because it tends to have the greatest price volatility from economic and market events. The other two are iShares Lehman 7-10 Year Treasury (NYSE:IEF) and iShares Lehman 10-20 Year Treasury Bond (NYSE:TLH).

Other excerpts from Gross are the following:

….If these credit conduits contract, then a Federal Reserve seekingto resurrect a faltering economy with 25 basis point cuts in interestrates may confront the same unmanageable response from the privatesector during an easing cycle, as it did during the past several yearsof steadily higher Fed funds.

….Mortgage write-offs, credit card losses, and increasing defaults onsmall business loans will squeeze bank balance sheets and incomestatements for the next several years. That pressure in turn willresult in more conservative lending practices, which will induce not acontraction in credit growth, but a noticeable slowdown.

….There’s nothing like the strong arm of new laws and/or newspaperheadlines to straighten the spine of a lender faster than you canpronounce “Barney Frank,” or “Gretchen Morgenson.” Ask Countrywide’sAngelo Mozilo how many marginal loans his company will be making nowthat he’s being publicly pilloried for personal stock sales thatallegedly got him out before public shareholders.

….So both old-fashioned banks and their derivative, conduit-fedshadow counterparts will be growing their balance sheets a lot moreslowly in future months and quarters. That rather immediatelytranslates into a slower economy and the need for government assistancein the form of lower interest rates or liquidity pushes like TreasurySecretary Paulson’s “Super SIV.” Whether Paulson’s “Committee to Savethe World – Part II” will succeed like Bob Rubin’s original during theLong Term Capital crisis is debatable. The idea, first of all, iscounterproductive because it continues to hide subprime asset prices inthe “shadows.”

Jon C. Ogg
October 31, 2007

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Douglas A. McIntyre is the co-founder, chief executive officer and editor in chief of 24/7 Wall St. and 24/7 Tempo. He has held these jobs since 2006.

McIntyre has written thousands of articles for 24/7 Wall St. He is an expert on corporate finance, the automotive industry, media companies and international finance. He has edited articles on national demographics, sports, personal income and travel.

His work has been quoted or mentioned in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, NBC News, Time, The New Yorker, HuffPost USA Today, Business Insider, Yahoo, AOL, MarketWatch, The Atlantic, Bloomberg, New York Post, Chicago Tribune, Forbes, The Guardian and many other major publications. McIntyre has been a guest on CNBC, the BBC and television and radio stations across the country.

A magna cum laude graduate of Harvard College, McIntyre also was president of The Harvard Advocate. Founded in 1866, the Advocate is the oldest college publication in the United States.

TheStreet.com, Comps.com and Edgar Online are some of the public companies for which McIntyre served on the board of directors. He was a Vicinity Corporation board member when the company was sold to Microsoft in 2002. He served on the audit committees of some of these companies.

McIntyre has been the CEO of FutureSource, a provider of trading terminals and news to commodities and futures traders. He was president of Switchboard, the online phone directory company. He served as chairman and CEO of On2 Technologies, the video compression company that provided video compression software for Adobe’s Flash. Google bought On2 in 2009.

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